Sounds like an interesting band name actually. However, does anyone have any experiences or advice about this operation. How does it affect sleep? I've drank it as a tea before but I just sort of like symbology of smoking it. It seems extra shamanic to my imagination.
Unsu...08/14From my experience, it ebbs and flows. When I combine smoking and tea there is a jump in effect. However, I truly think this depends on the individual. Lucid dreaming is tricky, and everyone has their own thing which helps in the journey. I can tell you this... smoking mugwort by itself has helped me with astral meditations and painting... smoking mugwort with damiana has similar effects but with a buzzy body high (damiana=aphrodisiac) And, combining those two with a little bit of lovely weed, brings on wonderful effects for me.
Anyway... since this is the lucid dreaming tribe, all I can say is dream on, feel good, and good luck on the journeys ahead!!!
Peace be with you... oh and why not try smoking a bit of mugwort?!?
09/06i have never tried smoking mugwort for dream enhancement, but i have had a few bowls for the hell of it. didn't do much then, but i'll bet it could help me dream. i'll be picking some up and giving it a try sometime. what i have tried for dreaming is a mexican herb called calea zachatechichi. like what was said about the combination of a tea and smoke, this applies to calea, except it has an exceptionally NASTY taste as a tea! so make some capsules from it if you're going to do this!
if one were to make a dream blend for smoke and tea (or encapsulation), what might you put in it? i'd start with calea, mugwort, damiana, valerian, skullcap. of course i'd be one to throw piracetam into the mix for memory and awareness, but its not an herb.
hey all... I am having such a knee-jerk reaction to this thread and I just have to express it...
first - I'm not at all telling others how to live - or what they should or shouldn't do.
no judgment passed.
hoping for intelligent dialogue.
but, for me... taking a chemical to induce lucid dreams...
is like taking viagra to induce fucking.
not to say there are not men out there that for some physiological reason, they need the chemical...
but, like... I guess this is my reasoning... is it "you" that is dreaming (having sex) or is it the chemical?
Um, mugwort is an herb not a pharm-chemical. To compare mugwort to viagra is completely silly.
I have lucid dreams, with and without the aid of mugwort. From my experience, I have never used a chemical to induce a lucid dream. This is a forum, and a thread within the forum, that gives the option of smoking or drinking mugwort tea to enhance lucid dreams. No harm has been done IMO.
That is fine, if you choose to be free of any form of plant, liquid, chemical when you do your dream work. However your "knee-jerk reaction to this thread" comes off as offensive and ignorant. I truly do not understand your intent, nor do I understand why your lumping natural herb in the same box as un-natural chemically tainted drugs such as viagra. Whats up with that?
> your "knee-jerk reaction to this thread" comes off as offensive and ignorant <
ignorant and offensive.
let me say first... there is no shame in ignorance, for some reason ignorance is seen as a horrific thing... ignorance is pure. I am ignorant to many thing... my intelligence allows me to try and work through my ignorance - and there is the way to "wisdom".
When we allow ourselves to be vulnerable and expose our ignorance - in pursuit of dialogue - the real and genuine exchange of ideas and thoughts, we are - in my opinion - doing sacred work, we are pursuing truth, and real magic, godhead, etc. We are aware that that vulnerability may be attacked by ignorant or hurtful people and yet we push on, because we know the value of pursuing truth - because it is what is in our souls, and because we have no other choice. AND, the tremendous value and satisfaction garnered from entering an on-going dialogue makes it all worth it.
offensive? - that is your choice.
you need to know colleen & any one else that may have been "offended" by my statement - that it was not my intent to be offensive.
But, in the act of "being offended" there is a story to be heard.
how we guard our sacred cows.
From my perspective - I am asking a question. looking to open up dialogue - the real and genuine exchange of ideas and thoughts.
was my question too provocative? hmmm.
We all have our sacred cows.
these are the "non-negotiable assumptions" we all carry. Usually about religion, politics, and all those things we see as being fundamental, foundational self-defining beliefs.
so here is my sacred cow - striped bare for anyone to attack, or comment, or embrace, or dialogue on:
"If you use a chemical, be it pharm-chemical or phyllo-psychotropic-pharm-chemical to produce insight or lucid dream... Is it that Chemical that is dreaming or is it you?" and how do we know? and how deeply do we embrace, hold precious those insights that were chemically induced?
This is an important question - there has been a tremendous amount of historical mischief brought about by "misguided" insight - one could even say... without too much stretch of imagination... ever war ever fought.
Charles Manson had many insights.
I believe that exposing my sacred cows for discussion and dialogue is the best way for me to really examine it, closely watch it in action, and to perhaps get to a place where something as "useless" as a "belief" can stop being so sacred.
I hold it up in the light. I present it for attack. Truth is that important to me.
85% of all pharmaceuticals on the market come from plant-source.
and I really don't have a problem Psychotropics... I have enjoyed many wonderful journeys in my history...
but, I am cautious of "relying" on them... because, perhaps, over time they may dull the mind to the infinite subtleties that life presents to us within every breath, every golden glancing vista, every wafting brush of humanity.
This is my humble opinion and I am COMPLETELY open to the possibility and eventuality that I am wrong.
Unsu...09/23I have to admit Tom, that I had a scorching case of P.M.S that day. One becomes vulnerable when the blood goddess is visiting. I usually avoid making comments when I'm in such a mood. However, I guess a wild hair caught me off gaurd. Seriously... and I do apologize for my choice of words. I can look at it now and laugh, because I clearly was not offended, just in a crabby mood. I don't fully stand by the "ignorant" comment, but I do still think it is silly to compare mugwort to viagra. To me its like comparing oregano to prozac???
Sorry again for tainting the thread with my P.M.S. lol
09/24thank you for the apology...
I do appreciate it.
I feel like I was being careful not to make it personal to anyone, and felt as though it was *made* personal...
so... thank you for clearing that up.
I stand by my comparison.
again, most pharmacological drugs have plant basis.
I have to be honest here, not sure what reaction to our bodies/minds we can anticipate from Oregano... so can't really speak on it... (again happily showing my ignorance!)
my comparison is based in this:
a very specific chemical compound known as Viagra is used to induce erections.
a very specific chemical compound know as mugwort is being used to induce lucid dreams.
I'm going to use this as an example:
Ricin is a poison derived from the castor plant.
Eating a castor bean kills you just as thoroughly as ricin.
but, Castor oil also comes from the caster bean... a valuable and important drug.
I mention this because we have to be extremely cautious and knowledgeable to make assumptions about plants and their safety to the human organism.
One of our great mistakes is that we think that because it is a plant... it *must* be safer than a pharmacological drug.
"it's natural - It must be safe"
but, an herbal remedy taken cavalierly can still destroy your liver...
all this to say...
if one uses mugwort to cause a very specific bodily reaction...
it is the same as using viagra to cause a very specific bodily reaction...
again, I don't know what exactly oregano does to our bodies, other than make our spaghetti much yummier...
I do know that prozac has some serious bodily issues, that *may* be worse (in some cases) than the disease it is treating...
so - no, to me this is not at all the same comparison.
and I am going to again reiterate... I am a strong proponent of using herbal remedies, when and where possible...
I do not use them as fad, nor have I been using them for just a few years.
my own inclination is ALWAY to reach for herbal remedies first , and has been the case for at least 20 years of my life.
but, again, I am specifically questioning the value of using herbs to "reach higher consciousness, or for insight, or to give us lucid dreams" ~ I argued this point much better in my earlier post.
Unsu...Hehe, my oregano/prozac comment was for amusement only.
I truly am not well versed in chemical's v.s. natural herbs. I only know what I have experienced for myself. I tend to research only those things that I put into my own body, and I encourage others to do the same.
Unsu...IMO, mugwort isn't going to trigger lucid dreams.
You need to be psychologically strong, and exercise your awareness in these lowers levels of consciousness if you want to realize you are dreaming. (look for the signs!)
You are your only trigger.
Personally, I like to interact with plants and herbs. When I make mugwort tea it does sometimes enhance the vividness of my dreams.
Lucidity is totally different. It doesn't always work for me, sometimes it's a dud. Not very special to me.
The only chemical I've found that forces awareness is LSD.
I fell asleep on an airplane after staying up all night (and I took a hit before I got on) and wow when I fell asleep I immediately woke up inside myself totally aware. It was the craziest experience of my life.
Not here to argue about drugs and chemicals, just chiming in with my experiences for the record. We are all different, all connected.
This is the maximum depth. Additional responses will not be threaded.
10/09i sometimes smoke a little mugwort before bed, mixed in with tobacco. i can't say if it's induced lucid dreams or not; need more data. however, the ritual act of smoking and the wonderful sage mint-like presence of the mugwort helps me reach a more peaceful place before i go to bed. and that is definitely an aid to lucidity.
i like the gist of Tom's question once all the miscommunique was dealt with. "is the chemical dreaming you" is a great question. i suppose there are many ways of looking at it, but i am drawn to the shamanic perspective that a "plant spirit" is an ally. the mugwort - or the damiana, or the tobacco - invite a cross-species conversation by activating our own brains' receptors. its a metaphor, but could be more than that you take the Yage practicioners seriously. Darby's Cosmic Serpents is a great read on that tip.
In my experience,
mugwort works the very best if you find and harvest it yourself.
It grows in a wide variety of places in large clusters.
When you have a bundle of freshly harvested herb,
you dont need to smoke it OR drink it.
Just hang the aromatic bundle over or near your bed,
and it is as if your dreams become amplified to a degree hat is nearly terrifying at points.
Wallpaper is adorned with velveteen geometric designs in a multitude of colors,
furniture is gracefully carved with ornamental busts and leaves,
you smell the air, etc.
This sort of astonishing environment can trigger lucidity thru the realization
that you are in a place more real than reality.
The trick is to harvest it at the peak of its potency,
I grab it when a few of the plants have started to seed,
but most have not.
Unsu...i love harvesting mugwort too. i usually pick it the full moon closest to the summer solstice. around here by mount baker, at this time they are potent shoots coming up. i pick the last few inches of the tip after talking with the plant to see if she is up for it. i then ask her to bring me dreams of wisdom and insight. i have some pictures posted on my profile of the mugwort patches i picked from last summer. so beautiful and magical.
Permission is blissful,
and plant speaking is divine.
I personally regress to an animalistic state
and discover hithero unknown patches while scurrying about in the wilderness,
taking the roots and all.
I still get the desired result from the plant.
We both are doing the right thing, I think.
PS it is the aroma of fresh mugwort that induces vivid dreams, not the smoking effect. It grows wild all over northern Cali and I used to pick it and place it above my head while I slept and experienced the craziest lucid dreams ever. Not everyone will go lucid, this takes time, but it should definitely induce extremely vivid dreams. To lucid dream I suggest reading a book on it...not to learn techniques, NO! but rather to simply have lucid dreaming on the mind as much as possible. I recommend 'Conscious Dreaming' (Robert Moss. Amazon(cheap)or-Barns and Noble has it) but just the mere act of reading this book each night before bed otta do the trick. It did for me! Remember, your sub conscious is smarter than you!
Unsu...08/21I've smoked mugwort or wormwood since I read some dated paper by Dr. Andrew Weil where he described smoking it and going into an altered state. It did not effect my dreams at all.
I've heard about this or the dream herb Calea zacatechichi.
No I have never used it. You can read about other people's experiences on erowid.
05/09Hey, might have misinterpreted your post there, but it kind of sounds like your impression is that mugwort (aka common wormwood(Artemisia vulgaris)) and wormwood (Artemisia absinthium) are one and the same. They are not. Hope this helps, you might be smoking the wrong plant!