leaving your body

topic posted Tue, November 20, 2007 - 2:19 PM by  faith
last night i had a dream i took off a gold snake bracelet while a guru man said, "the key to consciousness is knowing when you are." i thought it was so profound that i consciously said to myself, wake up and write it down! after this thought i realized my body felt heavy and stuck. i started to spin for a brief second and i got really scared. i made myself wake up because i was so scared.

was i about to start lucid dreaming? i have before.

were the words of the guru a hint that i was about to start controlling my dream?

i felt like i could have left my body when i realized it was heavy. is that possible?

help! :)

peace n love -faith
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faith
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  • Re: leaving your body

    Tue, November 20, 2007 - 3:36 PM
    there are much greater things to experience than controlling a dream...

    but it sounds like you might have actually been astral, with just a lower level of consciousness...or you could have been in an internal dimension...

    your teacher was perhaps trying to gently make you make you aware of where you were, and you became frightened and began the spin...that's my guess....

    no matter, there are many false starts on the road to developing this skill....
  • Re: leaving your body

    Tue, November 20, 2007 - 5:28 PM
    Has anyone ever had a prompt by someone in a dream telling them it is time to lucid dream or astral travel? Has ANYONE experienced someone prompting them to astral travel?
    • Re: leaving your body

      Wed, November 21, 2007 - 1:21 PM
      Some people experience this as a guide or angelic presence, but if you are afraid it has been described as Sleep Paralysis, Night Terror, The Old Hag, Succubus and Incubus . . . Anam Cara, Bonnie


      “The word Nightmare itself comes from the Anglo-Saxon neaht or nicht (=night) and mara (=incubus or succubus). Literally means a 'crusher,' and the connotation of a crushing weight on the breast is common, . . . (Hufford, 1982:53)

      The word "succubus" comes from an alteration of the Late Latin succuba meaning "strumpet". The word itself is derived from the Latin prefix "sub-" which means "below, underneath", and the verb "cubo" which means "I lie". So a succubus is someone who lies under another person, whereas an incubus (Latin "in-" stand in this case for "on top") is someone who lies on top of another person.[1]

      Mare was also a term for the sighing, suffocative panting, or an intercepted utterance, with a sense of pressure across the chest, which occurs during sleep. These symptoms were also thought to be an incubus (or succubus), an evil preternatural being, causing nightmares and/or nocturnal emissions. This phenomenon is now thought to be an experience of sleep paralysis.
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succubus
    • Re: leaving your body

      Wed, November 21, 2007 - 10:26 PM
      I once had a dream where a sorcerer friend of mine gave me a blue herb to smoke,
      and I immediately became lucid and decided to fly off to another continent.
      He had no knowledge of entering my dreams,
      so I very likely placed my friends face on a construct in order to facilitate this event.
      there is no way for me to know.
      ~
      even simply being lucid in a dream can only be a portion of the game.
      In a lucid dream I once decided to destroy my environment thru concentration.
      The world I was in shattered, and I found myself in a dimension of violet light.
      This is my standard of lucidity now,
      and being aware that I am dreaming s only a gateway.
  • Re: leaving your body

    Wed, November 21, 2007 - 1:16 PM
    I would call this Astral Projection . . . you can be Lucid (awake) without leaving your dream or your body . . . but the sensations that you describe "my body felt heavy and stuck. I started to spin for a brief second " would have been followed by a shutter, entrance into a tunnel of light and body separation . . . the only thing holding you back is your fear. I believe that these sensations are meant to keep people from accidentally passing over, but if it keeps happening then I would say you are being called by the Otherworld . . .
    people.tribe.net/artistpri...075ebda1e8

    Anam Cara, Bonnie
    • Re: leaving your body

      Sun, November 25, 2007 - 8:29 PM
      that's a fascinating dream. in my opinion, you were lucid dreaming. after all, you reminded yourself to wake up and write it down. that sounds like you knew you were dreaming, and not awake. i also don't believe that you have to be in control to be lucid - that's a separate part of the experience. if this were my dream, i'd say the guru figure was a signal to become fully aware you were dreaming. and the key is to know "when" you are. that's a great puzzle that i'm sure you're chewing on!

      i have also experienced things in dreams like you mentioned - the spinning, the heaviness of body. physically, this is most likely a symptom of sleep paralysis. spinning, falling, drifting and other bodily sensations like that are common when I drift from a dream state into another state (like waking up which it sounds like began top happen when you became scared). this state may be hypnopompia. it's natural and if you focus on it, you can learn to stretch it out and linger there for longer stretches of time. a lot of people have astral projection-type experiences here. theres also an association with near death experiences (similiar phenomenal properties of consciousness) and this sleep state too like Artist priestess commented above. thanks for sharing - you're not alone!
    • Re: leaving your body

      Wed, November 28, 2007 - 11:41 PM
      wow thats interesting you say that..once I dreamt I was being sucked up into a vortex but knew if I allowed it I would physically die on this plane...and was never sure why that was so strong...
  • if you go to youtube and type in "albert taylor"- click on the links that are connected to the user for "thedudeinok." here is a link that i hope will work:youtube.com/watch
    it is a interview from "coast to coast."
    anyway, according to this man who has had many, many astral travels (what i refer to as OBEs), the sensation of being trapped in your body is one of the first stages of leaving your body. he goes into it in pretty good detail.
    perhaps taking off the golden snake bracelet was a subconscious image of shedding the physical form for a journey into the astral.

    the feeling of being scared is very, very common. but according to Albert, it is easy to move past.
  • Re: leaving your body

    Sun, December 2, 2007 - 8:35 PM
    Anything is possible.

    The words of the guru seem bigger than whether or not you were about to start controlling your dream. Though, had you known when you were at the time--"Where is my body? Where is my spirit?" Then you may have realized that you're in two places at once, and you could have had more conscious interaction in your dream. But I do not feel that controlling our dreams is everything. Dreams have enough messages as they are. Perhaps were we able to control them at will, we would miss the gifts they bring us by trying to change them.
    • Re: leaving your body

      Wed, December 5, 2007 - 12:07 PM
      I totally agree Erin . . .
      I have experienced Astral and lucid dreams all my life . . . it is one of the reasons I joined Tribe, to see if other experienced simmilar things . . . for many years my lcuid dreams were triggered by seeing familar, but usually dead people (my Dad, my dog, my best friend) . . . after a while I would say "Everytime I see you it turns out to be a dream, so this must be a dream" and then I would go flying off exploring the nether world . . .

      I recently realized how many opportunities I have missed to receive messages for these loved ones, because I was trying to control my dream . . . While it is possible to invoke this state or project yourself into these realms, I have also been ask by my guides "what are you doing here, you were not called" . . . I realize that just because it is possible it may not be appropraite . . . these are special and sacred experiences not be taken lightly . . . so now I wait for these experience to come to me . .

      The last time I astral projected I was outside flying around, and I remembered to center myself and ask my guide or the universe "why am I here, what do you want me to experience" . . . from there I I was lead through a guided experience . . . I was still in control, still lucid, but taken through a series of enlightening experiences . . . this was far more powerful than controlling my experience . . .
      Anam Cara, Bonnie
  • Re: leaving your body

    Tue, January 8, 2008 - 2:01 PM
    Often times, when you wake up from a dreamstate or try to, your body feels this way because of where you woke up within your sleep cycle, It might be alpha, Im not sure, others probably know. Your body is resting and rejuvenating its systems so it literally paralyzes you so that you can't toss and turn and interupt that process. This happened to me recently while sleeping in my rv, I felt an entity enter the rv and sit in the drivers seat. I felt myself awaken and also freak out b/c not only was there a man in my rv but I couldn't get up to do anything about it. This is also psychological and very metaphoric. Eventually I dragged my heavy body off the bed and fell to the ground. I then tried to grab him and my hand went through him as he dissolved from being to apparition to nothingness. I then started having a full on hallucinatory experience and watched as lizards and snakes manifested before me. Im not sure if this was a dream or not. Probably a waking dream. Anyway, this is great that this man came to you in your dreams. This is how many people meet or are invited by their guru/teacher. I think you should ask him to come back and introduce himself. The snake represents shiva, or the Kundalini Shakti as I'm sure you already know. Also, this could be your inner guru or wisdom speaking to you. Its all inside of you! Awesome dream!
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    Re: leaving your body

    Sat, January 19, 2008 - 10:37 PM
    i agree that it sounds like you were aware of dreaming, and therefore lucid to a degree.
    personally i have never been out of my body (or a body, anyway) in my dreams, but one of my criteria for lucidity is memory, which I associate with the question of "when". I try to remember what "I" look like, where I really am sleeping, when I met the aspects of these characters in life.

    can anyone tell me how to get to OBE from here?
    or does "when" have anything to do with the structure of consciousness/ superconsciousness?
    • Re: leaving your body

      Wed, January 23, 2008 - 4:41 PM
      i've had some luck with lucid to OBE although not recently. but it sounds like you're already on the right track: try to remember where you are actually sleeping first. what worked for me was to next "imagine" or "feel" myself laying in bed where i really am. this can result in an awakening, but it also can trigger an OBE if you don't actually wake up. but if you wake up, just close your eyes and try to keep aware as your fall back asleep. in either case, once you feel your body and the strange bodily sensations or "shifting sands" in the vision, try shifting upwards. if you're still in REM paralysis, you may cause an OBE.

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