Hypnogogia

topic posted Sat, December 15, 2007 - 9:37 PM by  Alison
I was wondering if anyone has ever experienced hypnogocic or hypnopompic hallucinations? They are when you are on the verge of falling asleep or just having awakened and are awake and aware but still dreaming as well, so your dream manifests itself as a hallucination. It's also connected so sleep paralysis, and for some reason most experiences are ones of utter terror.
I've had several bad experiences with this, waking up and seeing something horrible standing in my room watching me, or starting to drop down from the ceiling. It seems to be a strange inversion of lucid dreaming.
Does anyone have any thoughts on why this may happen, or what the experiences may mean?
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Alison
Canada
  • Re: Hypnogogia

    Sun, December 16, 2007 - 6:57 AM
    I've only had this happen when I took Valerian to help me sleep, so I quit taking it. I didn't enjoy seeing an apparition of my EX standing in the room with snakes entwined all over his body, and on another night I saw a huge cartoon spider. LOL

    I taught myself to awaken if I have bad dreams or hallucinations so I can stop them. I'm sorry you're experiencing something bad. I have noticed that if I watch TV before bed and it's a crime scene or horror, then my mind will tend to carry it over, so I now watch something nice before bed.
    • Re: Hypnogogia

      Sun, December 16, 2007 - 7:54 PM
      don't worry, these experiences are totally normal. i've found that what matters most with sleep paralysis is attitude. so if you're experiencing fear during paralysis, the visions will continue down the fear road. so dig deep, and find something you believe in, whether that's religious beliefs, or true love, or your won strength. these experiences can open up into some beautiful dreams; fear is the first threshold.
      • Re: Hypnogogia

        Sun, December 16, 2007 - 8:02 PM
        i have these experiences and they can be wonderful and blissful...

        i agree, it is your fear that brings this type of energy into your experience....
        a great amount of trust in yourself can protect you from this type negativity, and that can be cultivated by getting to know yourself through contemplation...

        i wrote a book that includes more about this, there is a link on my profile page..


    • Re: Hypnogogia

      Sun, December 16, 2007 - 7:57 PM
      I have had a wide range of these types of experiences, from neutral to pretty freakin scary. I never knew the term hypnogogia, ,so Ii need to look that one up.

      I have had various levels of this. One one end, I just start to wake up and realize my body feels very weighed down, but then I either fall back into deep sleep or Zip wake right up.

      Then I have had it last much longer, where I'm trying to turn my "head" realizing that I'm still in my dreamstate, even if my body is gaining a sense of its waking enviorment.

      Then the scary ones, seem to have me feeling like I'm being pulled out of my body with no control... with various types of entities and energies floating about. I seem to sense things differently when the experience gets this intense. E.S.P. is increased, but sometimes not fully understood.

      It is almost like a battle of my conscious mind, and my deeper dream self.

      However, I have good feelings about it all, because I enjoy learning about all aspects of self.

      Happy dreaming :)
      • Re: Hypnogogia

        Sun, December 16, 2007 - 7:59 PM
        Possibly my spirit or soul passing through dimensions. Maybe the moment we feel as this OBE, is just the barrier we must experiece...when one's spirit crosses from one realm to another.
        • Re: Hypnogogia

          Sun, December 16, 2007 - 11:40 PM
          Ive had different hypnogogia experiences myself. One being very spiritual and enlightening. I woke up from a late nap, sleep paralysis nonetheless had taken over me or me over it...anyway i was frozen in time, the world around me as if it had never stopped. I heard a woman's voice talk into my right ear. She had an accent of somesort and a strong sense of urgency. The surrealism of the moment was too much but i let myself go with it for as long as i could. Unable to remember her exact words i do remember her telling me not to be scared, that it's ok if i close my eyes back up and that everything would be alright. She sounded urgent as if she was waiting an eternity to tell me and had finally goten the chance, I woke up and asked my roommate if he had her her, his response "heard who?"

          Although i didnt "see" anything i "felt" something or someone hovering over me.
          The other account i can remember like it was just yesterday was in a dream where i felt i was being "tested" by a cougar (who seems to appear in my dreams at the strangest of times..power animal*?) anyway the cougar lunged at me with it's huge jaws open thrusting towards my neck. The fright of that alone was enough to suddenly wake me up. And who do i find on top of me with a its huge mouth wrapped around my neck? good old mr. cougar who had somehow followed me to my waking state. He was laying on top of me on my bed. His huge cat like head right under my face was quite an experience. I could feel his teeth around my neck. Sleep paralysis dissapated and so did my friend the cougar who seemed to vanish into the lines, shadows and contours of my dark room.

          has anyone had a similar experiences? having your dream follow you into your waking state, even if it is for just a moment?
          • Re: Hypnogogia

            Mon, December 17, 2007 - 7:06 AM
            all the time...

            actually, the way i experience dreaming, is that the dreams are occurring continually...that when we 'dream,' its just that our consciousness has tuned into the specific frequency of that experience--so when we wake, the dream can continue even though we have lost consciousness of it...
            • Re: Hypnogogia

              Tue, December 18, 2007 - 11:36 AM
              just this morning i found myself sliding between both realities, it was very confusing, i felt almost half trapped in each.

              I set my alarm to wake up for class. As i always do i check my alarm to make sure i hadnt overslept. I woke up a few times already and had trouble goint back to sleep,eventually i did.

              Next thing i knew i opened my eyes and saw my phone (which had the alarm) sitting on the window sill next to me, this was very real, but for some reason i wasnt sure which reality i was in, the dream state combining with the waking state felt like a confusing static conscious if that makes any sense. Any who i reached my right hand out for my phone.this is where it gets weird. i picked up my phone i opened it then realized the phone was still on the sill. Once again i reached my hand out grabbed it, and before i could open it, the phone vanished from my hand and appeared back on the window sill. I must of done this atleas ten times. what was weird is that i could feel the phone in my hand, every little imperfection and curve. around the ninth try i looked at my phone and saw it didnt look exactly like it should.poof it was right back on the window sill again.i mustv been frozen the entire time but when i reached out for the phone i must of closed my eyes closed thus intertwining both realities. Finally i realized i had been paralyzed the whole time and my mind was just playing tricks on me.silly coos.any way i didnt mind the sleep paralysis that much this time around, it was almost comforting so on my own free will i stayed paralyzed for a moment. i then remembered i could be late for class so with all my energy i finally wiggled my left arm into existence and a split second later my mind and body as well. I picked up my phone "for real". The experience was enlightening.

              good luck dream on...
  • Re: Hypnogogia

    Sun, December 30, 2007 - 5:41 PM
    I dont know how to tell you what that realm means, Alison,
    But I experience it on a daily basis, sometimes several times a day,
    depending on what I do to my blood sugar.
    I personally interpret it as a subtle realm,
    or perhaps crossroads between realms that has evolved into its own society.
    It is certainly inhabited by a host of amorphous entities, not all friendly.
    There is A LOT going on there,
    and information to be gathered.
    My problem with it is that becoming consciously aware of your activity there can
    effectively prevent you from continuing your business there.
    What it sounds like to me,
    \although this is just an opinion,
    is that something there tried to attach itself to you and feed.
    This is normal.
    People do it all the time,
    but these things are a bit more open about it.
    Your fear creates a sort of vapor that they could find exquisite to consume.
    I personally have done battle with numerous hostile entities there.
    My advice to you then is this:
    Everything there is made of some sort of aether of magnetic light,
    and therefore is subject to your willpower and imagination.
    You have the power to implode, banish into vortexes of your own devising,
    seal, bind, whatever.
    ~
    Practice:
    Lay awake with you eyes closed at night.
    The subtle dancing lights beneath your eyelids are connected to that realm.
    Watch them for as long as you can,
    trying not to let you mind wander.
    (At some hours on some nights, you may be able to see your room thru your eyelids)
    Eventually they should start taking forms,
    and you will begin to enter that state or realm.
    The trick here is to maintain a peripheral awareness of it all,
    as your fully conscious mind will remove you.
    Begin using you imagination to manipulate what you perceive there,
    and your willpower to give it power.
    and once you get kind of good at that, not even great,
    nothing will be able to fuck with you.
    Keep an eye out for the friendlies too!
    ~
    Thats my advice.
    I could be wrong.
    Good luck.

  • Re: Hypnogogia

    Tue, January 8, 2008 - 1:16 PM
    Yes, I aso experience these a lot.
    I think you can encourage them by thinking about absolute nonsense, like
    "If a cow has 4 legs, then would an orange consider hiring the cow to fix his car, that broke down on the way to Mars, where a mountain of televisions ... blah blah blah

    Catalyst them with nonsense, and then "sneakily" back off to watch the show.
    If you can do this, you may eventually see yourself partake in the show, and the show becomes 3D.
    This requires of you to not get caught up and lost in the non-sense; easier said than done.
    You are then, I think, in a Lucid Dream, the lucidity of which is determined
    by the amount of memory you've sneaked across the border, as well as mental clarity and such.
    It seems like you start out with an empty toolbox, but if you have lucid dreams regularly your toolbox fills up with skills and tools,
    like in a Zelda adventure. If you start LD'ing less, the tools and skills seem to evaporate.
    At least that's my experience with 'em.
    • Re: Hypnogogia

      Thu, January 10, 2008 - 1:43 PM
      Ah, Zelda.
      Richest of modern allegories,
      to even rival the epics of Homer in the modern Psyche.......
  • Re: Hypnogogia

    Fri, January 11, 2008 - 9:03 PM
    Hello, I'm new to this tribe. I used to be afraid of sleep paralysis, now I wish it would happen more often, as I believe it is the beginnings of astral projection. Like you, I would fight the paralysis, and try to scream and escape the pressure. Once I learned not to fear it, I would kind of egg it on. I talk to it, actually yell at it. "Yeah, come on, let's go!" And as it would die off, I would ask it, "Is that all you got?" Kind of like I do with earthquakes here in California. I hope to be able to learn something from it.
    • Re: Hypnogogia

      Sat, January 12, 2008 - 3:35 AM
      good good.
      Intense focus and willpower give you power over it.
      The power to break thru it, like a mucous membrane.
      Do it like that more.
      Once you break it,
      it will occur less,
      but you will have more power in that and this world.
      Fo' real.
  • Re: Hypnogogia

    Fri, January 18, 2008 - 9:42 AM
    hi for the last year i have suffered from hypnogogia. i dont believe in all honestly that it is some sort of dream or hallucination. I believe am getting haunted by a ghost, as i know for certain that i am not asleep or even about to drift of to sleep. it takes m a while to get to sleep and when i have my eyes closed at first i could feel a cold draft coming to the side of my face and being absolutley paralized with fear, but now its getting to the point where whatever it is , is actually moving my bed covers.the whole time i can not bring myself to open my eyes, i can just feel something that shouldnt be there.even my dog is acting strangley, waking up and growling , which is not like her at all!!!!
  • Re: Hypnogogia

    Fri, January 18, 2008 - 8:28 PM
    it can definately be disconcerting...i found that it usually was during stressful times that it happened (at least for me) and that once i had come to terms with what was bugging me it would cease.

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