herbs and supplements for lucid dreaming?

topic posted Sun, November 5, 2006 - 10:30 PM by  son2k
I read on another forum about galantamine and L-Huperzine A that aids in lucid dreaming. Curious to know if anyone has tried or uses these or other supplements.
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  • Re: herbs and supplements for lucid dreaming?

    Thu, November 9, 2006 - 11:52 PM
    I've heard tell that some dried mugwort under your pillow might help.
    • Re: herbs and supplements for lucid dreaming?

      Tue, November 14, 2006 - 1:08 PM
      Mugwort... for sure....

      Apparently the nootropic/smartdrug DMAE increases dream clarity and dream recall... and would one imagines promote getting lucid...

      Though I saw I guy speak in tongues, morph muscle facial signatures, and tones of voice and generally tweak out in a weird trance state after just smoking a cone of ganj whilst on em... though I think thats a rather out of the ordinary reaction haha...

      Also another to def check out would be Calea....

      Check it out...
      • Re: herbs and supplements for lucid dreaming?

        Wed, November 29, 2006 - 9:03 PM
        your report of the guy smoking some ganja while using DMAE is a little unsettling. i have been looking into DMAE and plan to start taking it once i get over to the naturals store. can you tell me more about the situation, if you know any more? it may be an isolated thing, or it may not be, and i'd rather it not happen to me!
        • Re: herbs and supplements for lucid dreaming?

          Wed, November 29, 2006 - 9:19 PM
          I reckon is a idiosyncratic case.... like ... my hypothesis due to what I observed and what he told me is that it seemingly smehow dissolved the boundary between his dream state "other realm" and his waking state "the vague state good old decent law abiding folk call reality"... he said it had made his dreams hugely lucid, and he was sleeping fuck all...

          Ala... it served to make him generally more lucid, but also dissolved the boundary between the concious and unconcious realsm to a degree..

          Like I am assuming he is like ahh magically, mystically etc sensitive... & charging a large bucket bong considering he did'nt smoke much... set things off so to speak...

          I doubt it's overly comon reaction... but I reckon take it easy while using DMAE... see how it effects your body-mind... and add any other combinations gradually....


          I think it would be interesting to try DMAE but im not really in synthetic nootropics as it satnds...
          • Re: herbs and supplements for lucid dreaming?

            Sun, December 10, 2006 - 3:25 PM
            ah, that's very... interesting...

            i have been taking DMAE for almost a week now on a daily basis. last night i had something on my mind kind of bothering me so i toked a bit and about an hour later while on the platou took 700mg DMAE bitartrate (apparently 260mg DMAE). what was troubling me came back to mind rather strongly and i couldn't stop thinking about it. but other than that, i notice that DMAE improves my ability to visualise. i haven't noticed any effects on my dreams yet. i will take a 350mg DMAE bitartrate dose tonight before bed to see what this does. i've actually never experienced a lucid dream before (at least not that i can remember) but i have come close and woken up (or so i thought... i may have woken into a dream.) i'll post something if my dreams are effected.
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    Re: herbs and supplements for lucid dreaming?

    Sat, December 2, 2006 - 1:59 AM
    cool i haven't heard of this. but, i do believe that this somewhat reflects the scenario of taking marijuana for spiritual experiences/ practices - something which i'm not in favour for.
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    Re: herbs and supplements for lucid dreaming?

    Mon, December 4, 2006 - 11:50 AM
    a double terminated quartz under your pillow would definately make your dreams lucid...sometimes to the point that you dont feel as if you were even asleep...
    • Re: herbs and supplements for lucid dreaming?

      Mon, December 4, 2006 - 10:26 PM
      Thanks all for the input.

      DT quartz is also a good idea, i should've thought of that. Thanks!!

      In the past all of my lucid dreams always began with some type of struggle and challenge. Being pursued and chased then realizing that this is a dream. Then i start flying and all that great stuff. Anyways thanks!
      • Re: herbs and supplements for lucid dreaming?

        Sun, December 10, 2006 - 4:01 PM
        i sleep with an amethyst under my pillow and i've always had some skepticism toward the whole crystyal thing, but i've kind of been brought up with it. i seriously notice an improvement in my dream recall when its under my pillow. i have also noticed that when my recall goes down, i often find the amethyst on the floor. so i suggest going to a crystal/new age shop and getting an amethyst.

        i've been told that these amber coloured cone shaped things (i forget the name) inside the point boost psychic/OOB abilities. i am new to lucid dreaming, sort of a frustrated newbie. once i get better i'll try exploring those realms and experement with the crystal.

        • Re: herbs and supplements for lucid dreaming?

          Mon, December 11, 2006 - 8:06 AM
          well, i just woke up (at least i'm pretty sure i have) from my DMAE experement. the dreams atarted out with me in a strange groggy state not able to focus my vision or really keep track of anything going on. the dreams seemed much more detailed and busy with david chappelle cracking lame jokes, the police chasing me, christians trying to ressurect someone who had just dropped dead on the sidewalk, people looking to buy a house with very crooked floors which i started to think was the house i was born in and began to walk around on my own will looking around outside the house. i deffinately think the DMAE altered my dreams but i still have not gained lucidity, when i walked around the house i did not notice i was dreaming. i can't honestly say that my dream recall was boosted because what i remember so vividly seemed like one long dream just before waking up, which i often have and attribute to the morning sunlight in my room. i will take the same dose of DMAE tonight before sleep and unless i experience any problems, i will probably do the same for quite a while.

          as far as DMAE being synthetic, i do not belive my supplements or any supplements i have seen are synthetic. from what i gather, they are fish oil extracts from sardines and others.
        • Re: herbs and supplements for lucid dreaming?

          Thu, December 21, 2006 - 2:43 AM
          I've never read anything regarding Amethyst and dreaming. However, it makes sense to me that amethyst would be a good catalyst for dreaming because it's purple. Purple is the color of the crown chakra. Considering that the crown is the most appropriate place to leave the body and go astral...I imagine amethyst would facilitate this. I wonder if this would help the folks with insomnia--assist them in leaving their body in some way. Anyways, thankyou for getting me thinking...

          I personally use labrodorite---either in my pillowcase or on my nightstand. I'm not sure of its properties--but I know that moonstone (nightime, when we sleep and when the moon reigns) is in the labrodorite family--It was recommended to me by a knowledgable friend...and since I've used it, it has proven to be quite productive with: falling asleep, in general, and dream recall, and lucidity...
  • Re: herbs and supplements for lucid dreaming?

    Thu, December 14, 2006 - 10:25 AM
    I have always found that any type of substance beyond a couple of glasses of wine impairs my ability to be lucid. While I am totally open about marijuana it definitely supresses my dream recall. I have heard about mugwort and I'm interested to try it. I bought a couple of magic witches brew mugwort beers from a woman at a festival this fall and I'm saving them for a special occasion. I'll let you know how it works for me after I drink them. Have any of you heard of reality checks? It's a way of training your mind to check in to see if you are dreaming or not. The idea is that when you get used to doing these reality checks when you are awake, then you will do them out of habit while you are dreaming and it will help you to recognize that you are dreaming and become lucid. Some people say that if you check your watch in a dream the time will never be linear and that is how you can recognize that you are dreaming. It has worked for me once, but you really have to train your waking mind. I much prefer this kind of mental discipline to mind altering chemistry. Check it out:

    Check in with yourself to see whether you are awake or sleeping during these daily events:

    The next time I see a pet or animal.
    The next time I look at my face in a mirror.
    The next time I turn on a light.

    The next time I write anything down.
    The next time I feel pain.
    The next time I hear my name spoken.

    The next time I see a traffic light.
    The next time I laugh.
    The next time I hear music.

    The next time I eat a vegetable.
    The next time I see a red car.
    The next time I turn on a television.

    The next time I hear a phone ring.
    The next time I check the time.
    The next time I read something other than this list.

    The next time I see the stars.
    The next time I use a toilet after noon.
    The next time I open a closed door.

    The next time I watch a commercial.
    The next time I run.
    The next time I unlock something.
    • Re: herbs and supplements for lucid dreaming?

      Mon, February 5, 2007 - 10:12 PM
      Some herbs, supplements, or energetic bodies may affect your dreamlife, but still the number one thing that affects it is your mind. Ergo, whatever you use to induce lucid dreams, whatever you believe in, will be at least somewhat effective. That's my opinion: mental discipline is the way to go, and the use of power objects can be part of that discipline. (A pill is one hell of a power object; see double-blind placebo-controlled experiments on the effectiveness of Parkinson's Disease medications.)
  • Re: herbs and supplements for lucid dreaming?

    Wed, December 20, 2006 - 10:32 AM
    I've been using galantamine and choline daily for a couple of months. Initially I was very skeptical, but from the start I have been experiencing dreams much more vividly, including lucid dreams with a great deal of interactivity. Dreams have been highly visual and often extremely realistic. Also, I have been waking up with solutions to work-related problems in my head. I'm a code weasel, and have spun my wheels on work-related problems for days, only to wake up at night thinking of the solution. Can't say if I've noticed increased daytime alertness, but dream recall is definitely way up.
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    Re: herbs and supplements for lucid dreaming?

    Thu, December 28, 2006 - 2:18 PM
    I would just like to express my gratitude in this particular thread on this forum.. I just got back from getting some mugwhort & Pau d'Arco (recommendation by lucid dreamer at herb shop, she said she made Tea out of it and just from the inhalation of the dust in the process gave her vivid dreams for nearly a fortnight), I'm going to mix them into a tincture, while that is brewing I'm putting some in a mesh pouch under my pillow. Also got some DMAE & double terminated quartz.. hope I don't OD.
    just something I'm concerned about... doing research for all this stuff, energy enhancers, opening of third eye, etc... plannning on taking silly psybin this weekend to greet the new year eyes wide open, does anyone have a warnings or recommendations in this potential sudden openning of the energy gates?
    maybe should wait until next year to start these herbs and such? do a half dose this weekend? go for it?


  • Re: herbs and supplements for lucid dreaming?

    Wed, January 3, 2007 - 11:50 AM
    I can recommend this supplement .... I have been taking it for a while and it works GREAT !!! It has Calea zacatechichi, Mugwort, wild lettuce, lots of B vitamins......... I HIGHLY recommend trying it out ....... ... I had great results....

    Also ... While on the topic of Crystals...... Try and find a double terminated Herkimer diamond...... I use this stone under my pillow as well as a double terminated quartz crystal.....
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    Mon, January 15, 2007 - 7:33 PM
    i havent tried many dreaming herbs, but im an insomniac and i used to take Melatonin to help me sleep. It would make my dreams extremely colorful and vivid and bizzare.. im not sure if it helps with lucid dreaming or not but it definetly amps up your dreams while helping you sleep.. and since your body naturally creates melatonin I think it works really well. and you dont feel tired in the morning or anything like that.. plus its really cheap like 5 dollars for a bottle of pills at most stores
  • Re: herbs and supplements for lucid dreaming?

    Mon, January 15, 2007 - 10:41 PM
    Try increasing your body temperature - or at least the temperature in your sleeping environment. Add a couple extra blankets, turn up the thermostat, whatever. A friend turned me on to this technique years ago - seems to work, though it often happens when I'm not trying.
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      Wed, January 17, 2007 - 1:31 AM
      thats interesting that works for you cos I find whatevers happening in bed will also happen in the dream,like being too hot and not being able to get cool....or needing to go to the toilet...

      But yes to melatonin,it gives me vivid dreams...
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    Wed, January 17, 2007 - 10:25 AM
    One word: benadryl. I have allergies and I can only take benadryl at night cuz it knocks me out. I've been taking it for so long that I don't notice the effect much now, but when I used to take it only occassionally I noticed a huge difference in the vividness of my dreams. Pretty colors and lots and lots of detail. These were dreams where the images became almost fractal - the more closely I looked at things the more colors and detail would appear. It also helps with dream recall.
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    Fri, February 2, 2007 - 8:16 AM
    hi ,
    have you ever heard of a rare mexican plant known as the "dream herb"{calea zacatechichi}?
    the indians make tea or smoke it and make dream pillows with it .it is known to cause very lucid dreams.
    i tried a little bit many years ago and it does have an effect even in small doses.
    you can find it for sale on some sites.
    • Calea Zacatechichi

      Mon, February 5, 2007 - 9:56 PM
      Also known as "Dog Weed," Calea is noted in Dale Pendell's Pharmacopoeia (a volume I recommend to anyone interested in the secrets of the psyche) as an herb profferred to Pendell by American Indians who told him they used it to induce lucid dreams, or something like that.
      There's always for such queries....
  • Re: herbs and supplements for lucid dreaming?

    Fri, February 2, 2007 - 4:20 PM
    There's also something I found called "African Dream Root" (Silene capensis). This is where I first learned about it:

    It's kinda weird - a root that's ingested for a few days in a row - on the third night, intense dreams including lucidity, messages from ancestors, etc are supposed to occur. My own experience wasn't quite as impressive - very Intense and vivid dreams, but almost too involving to lead to lucidity.

    I also heard that putting on a nicotine patch before sleeping was supposed to lead to vivid dreams leading to lucidity - anybody else experimented with this?
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    Mon, February 5, 2007 - 10:45 PM
    This isn't an herbal/supplement suggestion but rather a general suggestion for lucid dreaming.

    Generally I have found what aids in lucid dreaming is blurring the lines between sleep and bring your dream life into your waking life, eventually it will naturally go the other way as well and your waking self will enter your dream life. Write about your dreams and share them with others. Focus on them during the day. Also....develop habits in the waking world to check if you're awake or not, that will eventually carry over into the dream world. What I do is I flip light switches to check if I'm awake (picked this up from the movie the waking life--supposedly you can change light levels in dreams, turns out btw that that test doesn't necessarily work unless you believe it will, if I really feel that I can change the light levels I can but as long as I think the light switch thing works then it does....which of course wouldn't happen in the waking world so in a way it works after all). Anyway this habit has now carried over into my sleeping life and now frequently serves to "wake me up" within a dream and bring me into the lucid state.
    • Re: herbs and supplements for lucid dreaming?

      Tue, February 6, 2007 - 8:55 AM
      After reading most of the posts to make sure I wasn't repeating something someone already I said, I found that James mentioned the B vitamin. He is right on the $$$ !!!

      Take a B-complex vitamin about 2 hours before you are planning on going to sleep. It has a mild stimulating effect that has proven to be very beneficial in becoming Lucid and recalling your dreams. Don't take over the recommended dosage for dreams as B's are very good for you, but they are fat soluble and can cause real issues with your liver, if over taken. I would actually look into recommended dosage on a good vitamin site because I was taking GNC's B complex and found one of the B's to be over twice what is safe to ingest.

      Happy Dreaming!!

      • Re: herbs and supplements for lucid dreaming?

        Tue, February 6, 2007 - 9:23 AM
        actually i beleive most B vitamins are water soluble .thats why when you eat a lot of them your pee turns a neon yellow color but your right that eating too much of certain b vitamins daily for too long can do serious damage.i think more people should look into that.ive heard some people say that a cup of warm milk before bed helps them sleep better i think its because of the b vitamins .
        • Re: herbs and supplements for lucid dreaming?

          Tue, February 6, 2007 - 1:06 PM
          Hi Dorian,

          You are right!! Most are water soluble, however when I was researching the complex I was taking there were in fact some aspects of B's that built up in the system via fat. I'll look on the back of the label and be more specific about which one it was : )

          When I wrote this, I couldn't remember if they were fat or water, so I ran it through google really fast and must have miread a quick result..oops. I'm usually pretty good w/ providing accurate info, if I don't know I check : ) Anywhoo, GNC's version had a vitamin or mineral that severely damaged the liver when taken over a certain dose. I'll look into it so you know what to watch for.

          Thanks for the catch!!

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    Hmmm I like to use Clary sage oil to relax me. A drop on the pillowcase does it for me but seriously massaging your heart chakra front and especially the back side and the ascension chakra on the back of your head (and also the top sides of your head) will do much more for you than anything mentioned on any of these posts. Massaging gets the circulation going and stimulated the chakras. I've never used anything besides some clary sage or lavender oil. <A>

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